Comments on: Ignoring icebergs: The NCTJ and sinking ships. http://www.andydickinson.net/2009/02/18/ignoring-icebergs-the-nctj-and-sinking-ships/ online journalism, newspaper video and digital media Sun, 21 Mar 2010 04:35:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Arun Marsh http://www.andydickinson.net/2009/02/18/ignoring-icebergs-the-nctj-and-sinking-ships/comment-page-1/#comment-6786 Arun Marsh Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:03:19 +0000 http://www.andydickinson.net/?p=1387#comment-6786 My degree gave me a knowledge about ownership, 'new media', work experience, how papers relate to the wider world, what they mean to their readers and how they operate. Shorthand training gave me wrist ache. When I arrived on a large regional (Newsquest) weekly in 2004, I suggested we improved the web content and was completely patronised by the editor and then given the old 'but then no one will read the paper' routine. when I left in 2006 they were sending photographers to video training. Despite being by far the most web savvy member of the editorial team - I wasnt allowed the training, because I hadn't passed my shorthand! Now I'm a content producer on the web and I dont rue the extinction of the dinosaurs - but rather the squandering of so much talent and entusiasm of the last 5 years, which so many local journalists possess. My degree gave me a knowledge about ownership, ‘new media’, work experience, how papers relate to the wider world, what they mean to their readers and how they operate.

Shorthand training gave me wrist ache.

When I arrived on a large regional (Newsquest) weekly in 2004, I suggested we improved the web content and was completely patronised by the editor and then given the old ‘but then no one will read the paper’ routine. when I left in 2006 they were sending photographers to video training.

Despite being by far the most web savvy member of the editorial team – I wasnt allowed the training, because I hadn’t passed my shorthand!

Now I’m a content producer on the web and I dont rue the extinction of the dinosaurs – but rather the squandering of so much talent and entusiasm of the last 5 years, which so many local journalists possess.

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]]> By: Andy http://www.andydickinson.net/2009/02/18/ignoring-icebergs-the-nctj-and-sinking-ships/comment-page-1/#comment-6758 Andy Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:17:43 +0000 http://www.andydickinson.net/?p=1387#comment-6758 Tim I know. I don't know why I'm surprised. It strikes me that this is the NCTJ presenting people who reflect that organisation to students to take questions. What does that say about the organisation? Nigel Yes you have defected from deadtree to glossy. I agree it does smack of closed shop. I just bang my head at the 'one step forward and a century back' attitude that the industry is saddled with. No wonder it struggles. Tim

I know. I don’t know why I’m surprised. It strikes me that this is the NCTJ presenting people who reflect that organisation to students to take questions. What does that say about the organisation?

Nigel
Yes you have defected from deadtree to glossy. I agree it does smack of closed shop. I just bang my head at the ‘one step forward and a century back’ attitude that the industry is saddled with. No wonder it struggles.

]]> By: nigel barlow http://www.andydickinson.net/2009/02/18/ignoring-icebergs-the-nctj-and-sinking-ships/comment-page-1/#comment-6756 nigel barlow Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:54:00 +0000 http://www.andydickinson.net/?p=1387#comment-6756 Andy, I think that it sums up the attitudes of the local press and the NTCJto be honest.Having sat in a few meetings with the NTCJ and the University,their old fashioned and closed shop attitude to journalism was remarkable. The sooner the industry and educational establishments ditch them the better for the industry. oops there goes my chance of working in what is left of the local dead tree press Andy,

I think that it sums up the attitudes of the local press and the NTCJto be honest.Having sat in a few meetings with the NTCJ and the University,their old fashioned and closed shop attitude to journalism was remarkable.
The sooner the industry and educational establishments ditch them the better for the industry.

oops there goes my chance of working in what is left of the local dead tree press

]]> By: Tim Holmes http://www.andydickinson.net/2009/02/18/ignoring-icebergs-the-nctj-and-sinking-ships/comment-page-1/#comment-6752 Tim Holmes Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:59:17 +0000 http://www.andydickinson.net/?p=1387#comment-6752 Somehow, this is exactly what I expect local/regional newspaper editors to say, and thus it is not surprising. On the other hand, it is truly shocking. I have just been sent the joint accrediting body proposals to comment on, and this gives it an interesting frame, as academics have been known to say. Somehow, this is exactly what I expect local/regional newspaper editors to say, and thus it is not surprising. On the other hand, it is truly shocking. I have just been sent the joint accrediting body proposals to comment on, and this gives it an interesting frame, as academics have been known to say.

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